prem_goel
08-28 07:33 AM
one can travel outside country......
btw somebody gave me a red dot on my posting about L1 facing issues....I was just letting people know what I've seen....no pun intended!
btw somebody gave me a red dot on my posting about L1 facing issues....I was just letting people know what I've seen....no pun intended!
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02-15 10:18 AM
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stuckinmuck
05-28 02:12 PM
A Great New Commission
May 27, 2007
An Open Letter to:
The United States Senate
The United States House of Representatives
Re: A Great New Commission
Ladies and Gentlemen:
Our nation holds paramount equal treatment under the law. My principal question is, what federal laws may I break so that I am rewarded with amnesty to the tune of $18,000 per year?
That would bring me parity with the estimated costs to society of illegal aliens. These are in health, education and related social benefits. Oh, and the approximately 30 percent of our prison population which is comprised of some of these aliens. Seems some of the cost is borne by victims who are assaulted by aliens doing the crimes Americans just won�t do.
I�ll even give you a bargain. As a small business owner, my real and opportunity costs to comply with federal statutes and regulations are substantial. These are not taxes, they are non-deductible costs I incur to comply with federal law. My daughter�s chronic medical condition and my own heart condition also incur substantial expenses. Regarding our health, my family is uninsurable due to these conditions. We have never received assistance under any state or federal programs.
All of these costs come to something over $27,000 per year. So, when you give me my amnesty and my $18,000 per year, you will fall short of my expenses by approximately $9,000. Since you are wise in the ways of federal accounting, you can inform your constituents that you have in fact saved $9,000 per year, in addition to the moral claim of having granted me amnesty.
It will be appropriate to consider that in fairness my children should be due anchor amnesty. This from the fact that they still will be my dependents when you soon grant me amnesty. If you delay, well, my daughter will always be my dependent.
Considering possible delays, especially since fellow citizens will have their own tailored amnesty petitions, I understand if you need to charter a Federal Amnesty Commission. That is sure to renew respect for and compliance with the laws you draft. Any shortfall in compliance, up to say, twelve million offenses, you could graciously accept as appropriate civil disobedience. After all, that would assure you more press time as we enter this latest election cycle.
You are wise also in federal laws which may be broken with no consequence. I am too busy supporting my family, you, and the twelve million scofflaws and their employers to understand such matters, so I need your guidance. You know where I live, my drivers license number, my social security number, my bank and credit account numbers, as well as my email, internet service provider, taxpayer identification number, mortgage holder, business licenses and telephone numbers.
Please contact me soon. Given the rising medical and other costs, I need that $18,000 quickly and retroactive to the enactment date of S.1348. It�s only fair.
Cordially,
<First Name> <Last Name>
May 27, 2007
An Open Letter to:
The United States Senate
The United States House of Representatives
Re: A Great New Commission
Ladies and Gentlemen:
Our nation holds paramount equal treatment under the law. My principal question is, what federal laws may I break so that I am rewarded with amnesty to the tune of $18,000 per year?
That would bring me parity with the estimated costs to society of illegal aliens. These are in health, education and related social benefits. Oh, and the approximately 30 percent of our prison population which is comprised of some of these aliens. Seems some of the cost is borne by victims who are assaulted by aliens doing the crimes Americans just won�t do.
I�ll even give you a bargain. As a small business owner, my real and opportunity costs to comply with federal statutes and regulations are substantial. These are not taxes, they are non-deductible costs I incur to comply with federal law. My daughter�s chronic medical condition and my own heart condition also incur substantial expenses. Regarding our health, my family is uninsurable due to these conditions. We have never received assistance under any state or federal programs.
All of these costs come to something over $27,000 per year. So, when you give me my amnesty and my $18,000 per year, you will fall short of my expenses by approximately $9,000. Since you are wise in the ways of federal accounting, you can inform your constituents that you have in fact saved $9,000 per year, in addition to the moral claim of having granted me amnesty.
It will be appropriate to consider that in fairness my children should be due anchor amnesty. This from the fact that they still will be my dependents when you soon grant me amnesty. If you delay, well, my daughter will always be my dependent.
Considering possible delays, especially since fellow citizens will have their own tailored amnesty petitions, I understand if you need to charter a Federal Amnesty Commission. That is sure to renew respect for and compliance with the laws you draft. Any shortfall in compliance, up to say, twelve million offenses, you could graciously accept as appropriate civil disobedience. After all, that would assure you more press time as we enter this latest election cycle.
You are wise also in federal laws which may be broken with no consequence. I am too busy supporting my family, you, and the twelve million scofflaws and their employers to understand such matters, so I need your guidance. You know where I live, my drivers license number, my social security number, my bank and credit account numbers, as well as my email, internet service provider, taxpayer identification number, mortgage holder, business licenses and telephone numbers.
Please contact me soon. Given the rising medical and other costs, I need that $18,000 quickly and retroactive to the enactment date of S.1348. It�s only fair.
Cordially,
<First Name> <Last Name>
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karthiik
09-20 02:56 PM
Category: EB3
PD: June 2007
Country: India
Center:NSC
I-140/I-485: Received by USCIS on 08/09
I-131: Received by USCIS on 08/09
I-765: Received by USCIS on 08/09
Checked Cashed ( No/Yes ) = Yes (all 3)
Receipt Recieved( No/Yes )= No
Receipt Date : I think 9/14
I had sent in personal checks for my wife's applications and all 3 checks were cashed yesterday 9/19. I found the LIN numbers in the back of the checks and found that the applications have a received date of 9/14.
What's the current trend with Nebraska? Are they sending EAD/AP first or Fingerprinting? :)
PD: June 2007
Country: India
Center:NSC
I-140/I-485: Received by USCIS on 08/09
I-131: Received by USCIS on 08/09
I-765: Received by USCIS on 08/09
Checked Cashed ( No/Yes ) = Yes (all 3)
Receipt Recieved( No/Yes )= No
Receipt Date : I think 9/14
I had sent in personal checks for my wife's applications and all 3 checks were cashed yesterday 9/19. I found the LIN numbers in the back of the checks and found that the applications have a received date of 9/14.
What's the current trend with Nebraska? Are they sending EAD/AP first or Fingerprinting? :)
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akred
05-24 02:31 AM
Yes, Microsoft and many other major employers could easily find qualified US students with two years of experience, skills by the way comparable to what the vast majorities of H1B's offer, but Americans who do not need the H1B would give a finger to any employer who would expect that an American would work 80h/week for 55K/year.
Hmm, so one would conclude that immigrants work harder than the natives. What is stopping the natives from working as hard? At the very least the immigrants are keeping natives honest and increasing competitiveness.
You also misunderstand the chief reason why younger employees work long hours. It is because they want to learn and become more productive in the future, so they can make more money, not because their job depends on it.
The illegal aliens are being backed by major employers of cheap labor, such as Wall Mart and many others. Illegals also can put extra long hours and therefore they yield more output for less investiment. That's is the reason that US employers seem to fight so consistently to keep them here.
This may well be true for illegals. In fact it is true for any work that is well understood.
By its very nature high skilled workers are expected to perform leveraged work where there isn't a direct correlation between results achieved and the number of hours worked.
For the naive and dreamers out there who are shaking their heads after reading the above and believe that employers cannot find qualified applicants, so just answer this:
How many million dollars per year are the top management of Fortune 500 companies making? The US is not about drastic wages inequalities. This is about paying a fair salary, otherwise we have increasing salary inequality and this should be renamed then to Mexico, India or something like that.
See my comment above about leveraged work. This applies all the way to the CEO, and is the reason for insane salaries. As for the point about salary inequality, US income equality is better than Mexico's and significantly worse than India's, so there may be something there contributing to angst amongst Americans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality
Hmm, so one would conclude that immigrants work harder than the natives. What is stopping the natives from working as hard? At the very least the immigrants are keeping natives honest and increasing competitiveness.
You also misunderstand the chief reason why younger employees work long hours. It is because they want to learn and become more productive in the future, so they can make more money, not because their job depends on it.
The illegal aliens are being backed by major employers of cheap labor, such as Wall Mart and many others. Illegals also can put extra long hours and therefore they yield more output for less investiment. That's is the reason that US employers seem to fight so consistently to keep them here.
This may well be true for illegals. In fact it is true for any work that is well understood.
By its very nature high skilled workers are expected to perform leveraged work where there isn't a direct correlation between results achieved and the number of hours worked.
For the naive and dreamers out there who are shaking their heads after reading the above and believe that employers cannot find qualified applicants, so just answer this:
How many million dollars per year are the top management of Fortune 500 companies making? The US is not about drastic wages inequalities. This is about paying a fair salary, otherwise we have increasing salary inequality and this should be renamed then to Mexico, India or something like that.
See my comment above about leveraged work. This applies all the way to the CEO, and is the reason for insane salaries. As for the point about salary inequality, US income equality is better than Mexico's and significantly worse than India's, so there may be something there contributing to angst amongst Americans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality
delhiguy79
07-25 02:56 PM
but if we take rental, dont they ask why u brought rental?
I took my car.Once you get landed immigrant status in canada, everything needs to be transferred with you. They asked me either transfer my car or take it back to USA right away.As I have my family with me, So I argued for a while but no success. So i went to the customs and let them fill up the paper work to get the car transferred.Also they dont let your personal car to list in the things to follow paperwork, if you are driving the same car.I came back to USA after two weeks. But the transfer procedure still require you to get clearance from the USA for which you have to give the 72 hour notice to some agency and then take the car.Also you need Manufacturing clearance recall letter(which can be done both in USA & Canada).
I did not pay canadian customs a fee which is 209 + tax, as I want to bring the car back to usa. You have 45 days to get all this things done , other wise You have to export the car back to USA. They told me to send the payment or they will send a reminder notice after 10 days, which to date i have not received yet.You have to buy insurance and change the odometer into Km and also headlights should remain on when you start your car. I dont know what gonna happen, but I will sell the car if I have to, and send them the sale receipt.By the way i entered from detriot, and everything went smoothly.
I took my car.Once you get landed immigrant status in canada, everything needs to be transferred with you. They asked me either transfer my car or take it back to USA right away.As I have my family with me, So I argued for a while but no success. So i went to the customs and let them fill up the paper work to get the car transferred.Also they dont let your personal car to list in the things to follow paperwork, if you are driving the same car.I came back to USA after two weeks. But the transfer procedure still require you to get clearance from the USA for which you have to give the 72 hour notice to some agency and then take the car.Also you need Manufacturing clearance recall letter(which can be done both in USA & Canada).
I did not pay canadian customs a fee which is 209 + tax, as I want to bring the car back to usa. You have 45 days to get all this things done , other wise You have to export the car back to USA. They told me to send the payment or they will send a reminder notice after 10 days, which to date i have not received yet.You have to buy insurance and change the odometer into Km and also headlights should remain on when you start your car. I dont know what gonna happen, but I will sell the car if I have to, and send them the sale receipt.By the way i entered from detriot, and everything went smoothly.
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gc_check
04-06 03:39 PM
Very well said GCBy3000.
I have one question, did you have any trouble while getting mortgage approval? Do you think in the changed scenario in US housing market, people like us will have problems in getting approval b'cos of our residency status and recently tightened regulations?
I know many people who bought home while on H1B, including me. I did tell the Bank/Credit Union, I'm on H1B and my application for GC is under process and all they requested is to provide a letter from my employer about my employment, my h1b papers, etc and I'd no problem in getting a Mortgage Loan. This was a year back.
I have one question, did you have any trouble while getting mortgage approval? Do you think in the changed scenario in US housing market, people like us will have problems in getting approval b'cos of our residency status and recently tightened regulations?
I know many people who bought home while on H1B, including me. I did tell the Bank/Credit Union, I'm on H1B and my application for GC is under process and all they requested is to provide a letter from my employer about my employment, my h1b papers, etc and I'd no problem in getting a Mortgage Loan. This was a year back.
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luckylavs
10-04 11:22 AM
strange.. my appliaction was sent aug 6th and no news so far ... i am worried as i have travel plans to india..
anybody in the same boat ...
anybody in the same boat ...
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krustycat
09-28 10:16 PM
Hi,
Here is my case. My lawyer sent the papers on July 5th. and the package were received at NSC by F HEINAUER. We're a family of 4.
I have a LUD on the approved I140 on 07/28/07 (TX).
Rest of the details you can see in my signature.
Here is my case. My lawyer sent the papers on July 5th. and the package were received at NSC by F HEINAUER. We're a family of 4.
I have a LUD on the approved I140 on 07/28/07 (TX).
Rest of the details you can see in my signature.
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vijinanda
11-21 09:47 AM
Very sorry to hear this, my prayers are for you and your family, Hope it will turn out to be false and you will recover soon.
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anzarafaq
03-07 09:27 PM
Well, I am TOO depressed about the BEC performance. I know too many people are in same situation but I find myself "helpless" and at least i want to SCREAM......:mad:
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gc_kaavaali
04-20 10:32 AM
Hi,
As far as my knowledge is concerned they cannot hold your wage amount...this is against law...They have to pay your wages completely...If you owe them they have to talk/fight (through law suit or something else) with you seperately...but that too after paying your wages...You can fight for your salary.
I work for company A which sent me to client C through company B(Prefered vendor). After working with the same client for 1.5 yrs, transfered my h1b to company B(PF) due to issues with the pay with company A. Company A has deducted huge sum of money($4000) from my last months pay towards PERM filing(Still under process). Upon demanding them to reimburse my money saying that its against law, they r threatening me saying that based on non-compete agreement they will take legal action against me.
I am not actually aware of the clauses in the agreement. company B(PF) told me that it does not have any clauses in its agreement with company A prohibiting them from taking me.Though i requested company A to provide me a copy of non-compete, they said i signed with them, they haven�t. The company is located in NJ and not sure how non-competes work under NJ state law.
I am really frustated upon this blackmail and going thru lot of pressure. The amount is too big too leave and cannot afford to hire a lawyer in case they file suit based on non-compete. even if i had signed a non compete agreement how does it stand as it is conflicting the agreement which company a signed with PF sayign tht upon my termination of the emplyment with them, Pf can take me without any gap period... what can i do to get my money. they also refused to provide me with experience letter which i need for my future GC filing.
Plz give me ur valuable inputs
As far as my knowledge is concerned they cannot hold your wage amount...this is against law...They have to pay your wages completely...If you owe them they have to talk/fight (through law suit or something else) with you seperately...but that too after paying your wages...You can fight for your salary.
I work for company A which sent me to client C through company B(Prefered vendor). After working with the same client for 1.5 yrs, transfered my h1b to company B(PF) due to issues with the pay with company A. Company A has deducted huge sum of money($4000) from my last months pay towards PERM filing(Still under process). Upon demanding them to reimburse my money saying that its against law, they r threatening me saying that based on non-compete agreement they will take legal action against me.
I am not actually aware of the clauses in the agreement. company B(PF) told me that it does not have any clauses in its agreement with company A prohibiting them from taking me.Though i requested company A to provide me a copy of non-compete, they said i signed with them, they haven�t. The company is located in NJ and not sure how non-competes work under NJ state law.
I am really frustated upon this blackmail and going thru lot of pressure. The amount is too big too leave and cannot afford to hire a lawyer in case they file suit based on non-compete. even if i had signed a non compete agreement how does it stand as it is conflicting the agreement which company a signed with PF sayign tht upon my termination of the emplyment with them, Pf can take me without any gap period... what can i do to get my money. they also refused to provide me with experience letter which i need for my future GC filing.
Plz give me ur valuable inputs
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obviously
07-27 11:13 PM
It is indeed sad that you continue to pontificate from a perch of indifference and ignorance. We all know that the entire EB immigration system is not a zero sum game (just ask Ron Hira and his ilk). Sad thing is, when it comes to EB3 I's, EB 2's such as you suddenly transform into a Ron Hira lite ... going about throwing broad hints about how the system is setup the way it is ... to serve those 'higher in the pecking order'.
If we were to buy this weak attempt at making a 'logical point', I would be glad to give Ron a call and have his folks look into YOUR respective EB2 applications and find out if there REALLY was "NO" qualified US worker available for that job. Want to play that game?
Look, the EB system is what it is. Instead of trying to bait others into silence by suddenly finding 'fairness in this system', only because this part of the puzzle narrowly goes to serve / protect your gains ... try to come together to fix the underlying weakness in the system.
For the record, I am not bitter about a 7+ year 'wait'. On the contrary, I have grown professionally thanks to the opportunity to focus my energies towards building a Billion dollar corporation. That said, I would LOVE to see the paperwork of EB2 Java 'gurus' and L1 converts stand up to true scrutiny ... and that would open a whole new can of worms. Game?
If we were to buy this weak attempt at making a 'logical point', I would be glad to give Ron a call and have his folks look into YOUR respective EB2 applications and find out if there REALLY was "NO" qualified US worker available for that job. Want to play that game?
Look, the EB system is what it is. Instead of trying to bait others into silence by suddenly finding 'fairness in this system', only because this part of the puzzle narrowly goes to serve / protect your gains ... try to come together to fix the underlying weakness in the system.
For the record, I am not bitter about a 7+ year 'wait'. On the contrary, I have grown professionally thanks to the opportunity to focus my energies towards building a Billion dollar corporation. That said, I would LOVE to see the paperwork of EB2 Java 'gurus' and L1 converts stand up to true scrutiny ... and that would open a whole new can of worms. Game?
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GotGC??
06-15 05:51 PM
Folks, when you send/ask about details, it'd help if you could post your details like this (format borrowed from another post):
Here are the details:
Mailed to NSC on May 31st.
Received at NSC on June 1st.
Transferred to TSC (I-140 was Approved from TSC)
Receipt Date - June 01
Notice date - June 08
My 485 was filed with NSC on June 1st. It reached NSC on June 4th. We haven't received any receipts so far. I think NSC is still working on June 1st cases. Maybe I need to wait for one more week atleast
Here are the details:
Mailed to NSC on May 31st.
Received at NSC on June 1st.
Transferred to TSC (I-140 was Approved from TSC)
Receipt Date - June 01
Notice date - June 08
My 485 was filed with NSC on June 1st. It reached NSC on June 4th. We haven't received any receipts so far. I think NSC is still working on June 1st cases. Maybe I need to wait for one more week atleast
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NKR
08-18 07:58 AM
One of my friend got "Card Production Ordered" email. He is EB2-I, PD Jan 2006, RD- Sep 30 2007, NSC.
Mine is Dec 2005 and still waiting. So what is going on with NSC? Are they also doing the same thing that TSC is doing? latest cases first?
What is your RD?. I think they are going by RD but I am not sure.
my RD is 10th Oct, ,my PD is May 2004.
Mine is Dec 2005 and still waiting. So what is going on with NSC? Are they also doing the same thing that TSC is doing? latest cases first?
What is your RD?. I think they are going by RD but I am not sure.
my RD is 10th Oct, ,my PD is May 2004.
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webm
03-28 12:29 PM
Looks like there won't be any movement in May08 VB for EB3-I/ROW based on this article...:(..
�MurthyDotCom
It is expected that the cutoff dates in the employment-based, third preference category (EB3) will remain the same during the month of May 2008. However, this depends on the USCIS's processing of cases, as visa numbers are assigned based on I-485 approvals. Therefore, the number of I-485 applications approved by the USCIS determines, to a large extent, the immigrant visa number usage. (The consulates also use EB3 visa numbers, but far fewer than the USCIS.)
�MurthyDotCom
The EB3 cutoff dates moved forward in March and April 2008 in an attempt to avoid a recurrence of the events of the summer of 2007. As our regular readers, in the summer of 2007, the Visa Bulletin reflected current for most categories in an effort not to have an immigrant visa numbers go unused by the end of the fiscal year. They dates are being moved more quickly in the spring, as there is a potential that USCIS will have to reallocate staff from I-485 cases to naturalization cases to address the backlogs with those filings in order to naturalize eligible individuals prior to the November 2008 general election. Moving the dates forward permits case approvals and full utilization of immigrant visa numbers before the end of the fiscal year
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�MurthyDotCom
It is expected that the cutoff dates in the employment-based, third preference category (EB3) will remain the same during the month of May 2008. However, this depends on the USCIS's processing of cases, as visa numbers are assigned based on I-485 approvals. Therefore, the number of I-485 applications approved by the USCIS determines, to a large extent, the immigrant visa number usage. (The consulates also use EB3 visa numbers, but far fewer than the USCIS.)
�MurthyDotCom
The EB3 cutoff dates moved forward in March and April 2008 in an attempt to avoid a recurrence of the events of the summer of 2007. As our regular readers, in the summer of 2007, the Visa Bulletin reflected current for most categories in an effort not to have an immigrant visa numbers go unused by the end of the fiscal year. They dates are being moved more quickly in the spring, as there is a potential that USCIS will have to reallocate staff from I-485 cases to naturalization cases to address the backlogs with those filings in order to naturalize eligible individuals prior to the November 2008 general election. Moving the dates forward permits case approvals and full utilization of immigrant visa numbers before the end of the fiscal year
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GCStatus
09-15 11:15 PM
Third post to get your attention?. Is it possible to make this thread hard wired?. Is it possible to send a PM to all members with the first post?. Thank you.
Who is the ADMIN here??
Who is the ADMIN here??
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msp1976
05-06 07:11 PM
Who the heck dug up the depression thread...
It was away for a while guys.....Put it away...
It was away for a while guys.....Put it away...
rahulpaper
09-03 05:35 PM
Applied june 26th and received CPO email today.
How many days do you think will i get the card in hand?
How many days do you think will i get the card in hand?
coolstonesa
05-03 07:04 PM
Compare this stupid, never ending GC process with the Canadian one. Back in 1996, I got my Canadian residency in 5 months when I applied from India. Within 3 yrs i.e. by 1999, I got my Canadian citizenship. I know Canadian GC process takes more time now but it is quite straigtht forward and you can self sponsor.
I had applied for labor in 2002, got approved in 2003 but couldn't file 140 as the employer went out of business. Reapplied through new employer in 2003 and am stuck in PBEC ever since. The time span/ requirements to get card in hand is so long/complex that many things can go wrong on the way...e.g. layoff/ employer bankrupt etc. etc.
I wish someone can understand our sufferings/ pain.
I agree with MChundi here. I have been in this process since 2002 and have worked closely with my lawyers but it never ceases to amaze me how much complexity is built into the GC system. Putting the ads, applying for labor, aplying for I-140 answering any throwbacks from DOL/UCSIS. TO add to that the goof ups by the immigration lawyers and their para-legals certainly confuses the hell out of u.
Most ppl who apply for GCs are unaware about retrogression and PBEC problems at the onset. Even if they are aware u think, "well, my labour will take abt a year or so so by then hopefully things will become current". I mean not a lot of us, have the time or the foresight to plan THAT much in advance.
Now if we as H1s dont know the deal here, H4's CERTAINLY dont know the deal and it takes them a LOT more time to grasp the reality of things coz they have to absorb many other things like learning how to drive here, learning how the credit system works here etc etc etc.
All that being said, i would ask the H4's to try and avoid pointing blame at the IV members. This is not an easy process for sure. We are in NO position to demand anything from the US Govt. Whatever progress we have made is also quite phenomenal. I Still cant believe we collected even $100,000+ !! Right now the best strategy is to solve the primary applicant's problems and try and get the dependents problems go away along with that.
I had applied for labor in 2002, got approved in 2003 but couldn't file 140 as the employer went out of business. Reapplied through new employer in 2003 and am stuck in PBEC ever since. The time span/ requirements to get card in hand is so long/complex that many things can go wrong on the way...e.g. layoff/ employer bankrupt etc. etc.
I wish someone can understand our sufferings/ pain.
I agree with MChundi here. I have been in this process since 2002 and have worked closely with my lawyers but it never ceases to amaze me how much complexity is built into the GC system. Putting the ads, applying for labor, aplying for I-140 answering any throwbacks from DOL/UCSIS. TO add to that the goof ups by the immigration lawyers and their para-legals certainly confuses the hell out of u.
Most ppl who apply for GCs are unaware about retrogression and PBEC problems at the onset. Even if they are aware u think, "well, my labour will take abt a year or so so by then hopefully things will become current". I mean not a lot of us, have the time or the foresight to plan THAT much in advance.
Now if we as H1s dont know the deal here, H4's CERTAINLY dont know the deal and it takes them a LOT more time to grasp the reality of things coz they have to absorb many other things like learning how to drive here, learning how the credit system works here etc etc etc.
All that being said, i would ask the H4's to try and avoid pointing blame at the IV members. This is not an easy process for sure. We are in NO position to demand anything from the US Govt. Whatever progress we have made is also quite phenomenal. I Still cant believe we collected even $100,000+ !! Right now the best strategy is to solve the primary applicant's problems and try and get the dependents problems go away along with that.
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